Pretty sad....lots of posts in my other tribes every day, but this one remains quiet. What, no trannys looking to meet others? Are they all just on MySpace, or what????
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    Well, most of the trans-oriented personals tribes are pretty slow. Almost as slow as this one. People post every once in a while, though. I don't know whether it's shyness (this isn't exactly private, anyone can see your posts, member or not), or just not alot of people looking right now.

    I would like to see more discussion, but it can't really be forced, and I'm bad at starting discussions. I really wanted this to be a discussion/support/social type tribe, but I suppose it also works for people to just have this tribe in their profile, since there is no spot in the profile form to specify that you are a trans person interested in other trans people. :-)

    Speaking of forms (to go off on a tangent)... I was just looking at a "GLBT" roommate finder kind of site. It specifically said on the front page that it was for gay, lesbian, bi, and trans people... I went to fill out the form and found out that it really wasn't. The "gender" section gave two options: "male" or "female". The "sexual orientation" section also gave two options: "gay" or "straight" I can't say I was surprised.
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      I'm a trans guy, and that would work for me. I'd check "male" anyway, even if there was some sort of transish option.
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        Yeah, I know it works for most people, but the thing that bugged me was the front page basically advertised that they were for "GLBT" persons, but then left out any options for people who id themselves as "B" and/or "T". Which is what I would put down, honestly.

        In a roommate situation, I can't tell people I'm male, cause I'm pre-op and unable to go around covered and bound all the time at home. But, I can't put myself as female, cause I live as a man, and most people don't even know I'm trans. A "trans" or "other" or something like that gender category would weed out anyone who doesn't want to live with a trans person.

        As for orientation... I don't really consider myself any of the above. I'm open to a relationship with any gender. And I don't like to be identified with the connotations that come with all the labels: Straight Male, Gay Male, Lesbian (most people probably wouldn't believe me in the Straight Female category). Straight Male comes the closest, as far as personal identification goes, but I really wouldn't fit in a house full of straight bio-males. And while I'm okay with being id'd as a lesbian at this point, I pass too well for it to be okay for me to be in a "female only" space.

        So, yeah. I'm not saying that trans people can't be "male" or "female". It just irked me to be excluded yet again because I'm not one or the other. That's been happening alot lately.
  • I suppose it's just that looking online is a rather ineffective way of looking.

    I really wish there was more substance in these groups.
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      I've actually met a number of people who have found partners online. Mostly just sex partners, not relationships, but I think that it could work for relationships as well. It's like meeting someone anywhere else, it's just that you won't know whether you are physically attracted to them until you meet in person and they will probably be a little different personality-wise in person. Of course, some people also just want a relationship to just fall into their lap, so they might just put up a proflie and hope someone else takes the initiave. Which doesn't really work if everyone is doing that.

      Of course, I have found "looking" anywhere to be ineffective in general for myself. I've always met the people I've gone out with sort of randomly. Not when I was actively looking for a partner. But then, I like to be friends first, which I guess is pretty weird. :-D
  • I am indeed. While I am attracted to bio and transguys.I have only been with transguys. I am starting to think I prefer to be with a transguy for the simple reason I do not have to explain anything gender wise. Which I get tired of explaining myself to guys who are no familiar with being trans. It starts to sound like a scratched cd after sometime. So there are some out there looking for trans-trans relationships I happen to be one of em ;-) For me the problem has been with the majority of transguys (that I have met) is that they arent comfortable with my body or their bodies and well I am and I do not have any off-limits area, I'd like a partner who is the same way. So there are some of us who are looking for trans-trans relationships and I happen to be one of em! ;-)

    Shanee~
    • <<<I have only been with transguys. I am starting to think I prefer to be with a transguy>>>

      Now there's a refreshing post, LOL.
      :)

      I have had the same experience (with transwomen), in terms of "I don't have to explain things, genderwise"...although the "politics" of the two communities are very different. But I feel a comfort with some transwomen that I haven't felt with non-transfolk. Funny you should say that about transguys not being comfortable with their bodies---- that's been 100% of my experience with the MTFs I've dated!
      I KNOW there are thousands of pre- and non-op transwomen out there who are completely comfortable with their body, as-is.......just my luck, that wasn't the case with any of the ones I picked. :(
      It was so sad at times, because I used to feel that way as well, I worked through it, that took years------ and here I'd find myself with someone who was stuck at a place that I used to be in (too freaked about their body to enjoy sex), decades ago. It often felt like , jesus, I've come THIS far, and worked all this out, just to again be facing the same exact issue.....this time watching someone else go through it.

      Where (approximately) are you located, Shanee?
      • Im in Texas. I'm a Southern girl ;-) . Its refreshing for me as well to know that there are still some transguys who like transgirls. I have dated bio guys just dated them and for me there is always this empty feeling to where I felt like they weren't interested in me as a person they were mainly interested in me because I am trans and that was it. The only guys I felt any kind of real understanding with have been transguys. I have been single a while now. I want to find my special person.I'm glad I found this site. Its really good to know im not the only one :-)

        Shanee~
        • There's definitely a lot of transguys that are into transwomen. :) Myself included.

          For a long time, I dated transwomen exclusively. About two years ago, I started dating bio girl who happens to be a lesbian. The straight women I dated were great, but they eventually wanted a bio male. When I met my current girlfriend, she seemed to be understanding of the trans thing and understand the changes I would be going through, (i had just started hormones two weeks after we met) but after my body she's lost a bit of physical interest in me. It bothers me, and I often wonder if we'll make it in the long run. Meh, I guess I'm getting a bit to personal here. Anyway, I guess I just wanted to say that I understand that you'd prefer to date transmen.
          • I understand. With me even when I feel like I am clicking with a bio guy on some level I feel a bit "off". It could be because the majority of them weren't really weren't attracted to me as a person or as an individual it was more of a " Wow you really used to be a guy!?" Type of thing. Like they cannot get over the basics of the situation ( the fact that I used to be a guy)and don't really get to know me. Or they only want to talk to me when they are feeling they wanna try something different etc. I never feel like any of the bio guys I have dated have ever came to the point of realizing im just a person, not some novelty on display in the antique shop window. Its like oooooo look at that. Im over it.

            Shanee~
            • Hi Shanee, how are you?

              Sorry that I haven't chatted with you via IM, but on some days my attitude and temperment isn't the best. I hope that you are doing well. I believe that all of us (transexuals) know what it is to be a man or a woman and we don't need it pointed out by non-transgender folk. I love everybody, I just don't like being picked at. I've had enough of that bullshit from my mom growing up. I don't know what a non-transgender person is thinking, but maybe it is a novelty to them, and it's sort of overwhelming and up to the point of being an oddity. But I do believe that at some point, or somewhere, there is someone that wants a transexual mtf or ftm in their life and doesn't give a hoot about "How we are supposed to act or how we should be". But, that's like finding a needle in a haystack, lol! But eventually we will either be found or we will find our match.

              Thanks and hugs,


              Sebastian
              • Yes I agree, for me that situation was made to be more frustrating because the person trying to coach me in how to be a woman was trans also, the guy I was engaged to was FTM. You would think he wouldn't be doing that but he was always basically telling me how different I was from a bio girl. That got old. I have been single a long time now, but I know the guy thats right me won't be trying to coach me in how to be a girl etc...

                Hugs back,
                Shanee

                P.S if you want to chat via IM just shoot me a email with an im addy( I didnt see a IM program specific to this site) on here and we can chat ( if you want tonight) Its been a while since I have talk to other trans people I kinda fell off the map for a bit..
                • " was engaged to a guy ( a transguy) who had this obession with being "normal". He always had something critical to say about my appearance in relation to bio women. It was a whole lot of " normal" women do this, "normal" women do that, "normal" women don't have this or that, don't you want to be like a "normal" girl . That got old"

                  LOL.
                  Yeah, "that got old" sounds like an understatement! I could've easily quoted your whole post there, Shanee---- the whole thing was great. I totally understand.

                  I have to admit, there was one transwoman I dated to whom I used to say "you are such a guy!". (No wait, I think I just THOUGHT it really loudly...and said to a good friend of mine, who is also MTF trans, "argggh, she is such a GUY sometimes!"). To the actual person, at the time, I think I either said nothing, or "uhhh, well...".
                  LOL, but really, if you knew her, you'd say the same thing. That was just her. It's like when a pre- or non-op transwoman spends $200 on a purse and $500 on makeup, obsessively reads Vogue & talks non-stop about how well all this is helping her "pass"....and then pisses standing up and leaves the toilet seat up. (All of which my ex did).

                  I dated other transwomen about whom I did NOT say that (not often at least...although now that I'm thinking about this, lots of memories are coming up...there was that OTHER trannygirl who did drive a monster truck....hey, it happens. All cliches come from somewhere....).

                  But in all seriousness, I can completely sympathize with your frustration at being compared to non-trans women...not to mention the whole "normal" bit, which would last about four minutes with me. I'd be good for about two mentions of the word "normal" in that context, and then we'd have to talk..... .
                  It works both ways, if that's any consolation. Just two weeks ago I met a young, pre-transition, "pre-everything" MTF TS-identified person who was expressing some level of romantic/sexual interest in me.....then she found out , courtesy of her friends, that I'm FTM, and she started commenting about how my being "so nice" was because I 'm trans. She kept saying "Yeahhhh, now that I've talked to you awhile, I can see that you used to be a girl...you're so nice...you listen...a guy wouldn't care about that...a guy would't just sit and talk with me like this". LOL--- though she had no clue I was trans for the first two days she was around me, once her friends told her, suddenly it was like "ohhh, yeah, nowww I can see it, yeah".

                  I just laughed.
                  "A guy wouldn't just sit and talk with me like this, and listen to me"????
                  Er, maybe I should jump up, start a big ol redneck fight, crack a beer bottle and wave it at somebody? That more attractive to ya? How ya like me now?
                  ;)

                  Every time she made one of those comments ("that's more like something a girl would do"), I laughed & said "yeah, I think it probably is", and "uh-huh, I think you're right. I DO a lot of things that are probably more 'female' than male".
                  If she expected me to be insulted or "fight back", she sure didn't get it. I felt like saying "yeah, so I actually had some level of training in how to talk to other people, listen, and actually pay attention to what the other person's saying.....pretty cool how that all worked out, huh? Now you want me to apologize for that and stop doing it????".

                  I figured out that in order for her to feel "more feminine" (again, she's young, pre-everything, and insecure about passing), she wanted someone to fall into the other end of the "masculine" spectrum, in a really exaggerated way. I understand wanting to experiment with that---- people have to do something* to find their place, for some it's trial-and-error, etc. And to her credit, she at least said outloud what she was thinking--- she could've made those judgements and kept it all to herself, pretending it wasn't bothering her.
                  But it was really clear that I am not the person for her to do her trial-and-error with! I'd just laugh a lot , probably get a lot "gayer" ("more feminine" in response, just to get her going), and no doubt I'd repeatedly fail to rush in at all the right times and places, to "prove my masculinity".

                  It was interesting feedback though. And a good gauge of how I feel about the whole thing, for my self. Also fortunate was the fact that she was pretty quiet and relatively pleasant about the whole thing (I mean she was calmly stating her opinions, not screaming , doing drama, or saying it with an especially disgusted tone of voice), so it was easy to laugh off. I just imagine her finding some "sports bar" to hang out in , as she transitions, so she can meet a big 6'5, strapping, beer-drinking, pool-shootin', bad boy who makes her feel small and delicate.
                  Ya gotta laugh.
                  ;)
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                    I don't blame you for not wanting to be someone's trail and error. I never want to be anyones "test subject". I have ran into that so many times and I'm so over it. I want something real. As far as the whole women do this and men do this, I'm over that as well. I am happy where I am. I am happy just being myself and thats the most important thing.



                    Shanee :)
                    • I have a lot of empathy for MTF people who ** constantly ** get that whole fetishy, "I'm dying to TRY this!", "I've always fantasized about this!" etc bit. Those people don't care WHO they "try it" with, they have almost no real interest in any real person--- it's all just the IDEA of an mtf---- any mtf (pre-op of course, as that's what the fetish is about).Now, I don't mind someone honestly saying to me "yeah, I have to admit, I'm curious" etc...but transmen do NOT get that shallow, total obejectification 1% as much as you do, "on the other side".

                      Sometimes that's part of my frustration that more transwomen don't consider dating ( and LOOK for!) transmen--- I can't help but think, sometimes, "Hey, if you're all sick of that--- why don't you try going out with people who 'get it' and aren't likely to put you through all that?".
                      If you did a survey of all the ads and profiles and personals online and off, from mtf folks looking for hookups and relationships, I'd venture to say that less than one-tenth of 1 percent of those ads mention FTMs as an option..... .
                      I'm not home losing sleep over it, but I do NOTICE.
                      At least we have a few places geared more toward that.....like this tribe.
                      :)
                      • Yes, I understand what you are saying about not many MTF listing FTM as an option in their ads. Well my experience has been the exact same LOL. I have only seen 2-3(in the last 4 years) FTM personal ads that listed MTF's as an option the majority of transguys ads I have seen seem to mainly be after bio women. I have noticed that a LOT.

                        Shanee~


  • Hey gang! I posted my greeting before I answered this particular thread. I look at it this way, I would like to date a bio woman, I have nothing against transwomen.

    The thing I get tired of with both types of women, they have this unusual need to tell me what to do with my appearance and all of the other things that women like to pick at, as far as I'm personally concerened. I'm not bashing women at all, I love them, I just really get tired of all of the stereotypical behavior. I'm just a guy that lives his life in peace, I have my choices as far as what I want in a love mate is concerned.

    I dated a a bio woman once, and she has really serious health issues, I knew that going into the relationship. When I was visiting her, (she lives in a different state) a lot of stuff was going on with her family (she had a death in her family)that I knew nothing about BEFORE I got there. But while I was there, I could feel the sense of her not wanting me to be there. (If she had just told me about the impending death before I got there, I would have never gone up). I believe myself to be a gentle and compassionate kind of guy (of course, you couldn't tell with the rough and tough exterior, lol!) I don't have a drop of chauvinism in me, but I am a gentleman.

    So, I spent a whole week with a bitch. I know that not every person that I meet, or will meet will have all of their marbles, hell, I don't have all of my marbles, who does? lol! I was a perfect gentleman, and considering that I was at her home I didn't do anything that would have caused me to be sent home early. Now get this... When I finally moved into my new apartment, and I was up and running, on my computer, I got a text message telling me about an important email.

    Important my left nut! LOL! It was a "Dear John letter" Needless to say, I was crushed, hurt, angry and depressed. I met a transwoman from a website that I'm one of the chat moderator's at, we met in Philly after I got my t-shot and she was nice enough to take me out to dinner, (I'm also living on a limited income) we walked around for a while, and we stopped on the road to buy some beer, and she brought me home. Well, I invited her into my home, something I very rarely do with anyone I've just met, regardless of their gender. (That was just to allow the late rush hour traffic die down so she wouldn't have to drive in it).

    Well, long story short, not only did she tell a chat room full of people what was in my apartment, but she had the nerve to tell me what to do as far as my lack of a garbage can ( I just use plastic trash bags to put my garbage in). For me, that's a definate NO-NO.

    I know that out there somewhere, there is a woman, trans or bio, that will treat me with respect. I look at dating in this light, if we respect each other, have a great friendship, and stop trying to control each other, and accept each other as we are (good looking or not). And if we get to know each other over a specific amount of time, then I will definately travel to where ever she lives, as long as it's in the United States, and I can get there by train, lol!

    And that's my side of the issue of dating a transwoman or dating a bio woman.

    Thanks and sorry for the length of my response, I was giving examples of my experience. I know that not every bio woman or transwoman is the same as these two. Once bitten, twice shy.

    Thanks,

    Sebastian
    • (( The thing I get tired of with both types of women, they have this unusual need to tell me what to do with my appearance and all of the other things that women like to pick at, as far as I'm personally concerened. I'm not bashing women at all, I love them, I just really get tired of all of the stereotypical behavior.))

      I can totally relate. I was engaged to a guy ( a transguy) who had this obession with being "normal". He always had something critical to say about my appearance in relation to bio women. It was a whole lot of " normal" women do this, "normal" women do that, "normal" women don't have this or that, don't you want to be like a "normal" girl . That got old and to me that made me feel like for him I wasn't "womanly" enough for him. I like what I like and I am just me. I transition to become the person know I am. I did not transition to throw myself into a stereotypical " normal" girl. I like me, I like how I am and if a guy doesn't dig that ,then thats his problem. I had to learn that the hard way. But yea I really don't like being coached into how a girl "should" be. I am just me.

      Shanee~
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    I'm new to the tribe and should probably make an introduction post....but yah, I'm super interested in a trans-trans relationship. They have been predominantly the kind of relationships I have had. Nothing better than that kind of connection....btw, I'm Victoria
  • you know, some of the things i've read in here are kind of funny...

    i'll tell ya, a google for ftm personals listes the ftm personals tribe as the first link! not far down from that, you start getting sites like butchfemmematchmaker and stuff, which are so clearly geared towards cisgendered women and transguys... it's like, where would we even look?

    i mean, i guess it's one thing if you're west coast and there are places to actually Find ftms, but i live in pittsburgh for cryin' out loud! i've only ever even met three here, one in my group therapy which would have been Totally Innappropriate and two that were involved with each other!

    as for meeting mtfs, hah, i don't really need to look on tribe for that, you know? i can just go to the bar..

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